Mechanical Engineering, CompSci, and Entrepreneurship

Starting and selling multiple businesses for 5 figures, designing drones, getting a masters in engineering, and becoming a self-taught software developer are just a couple crazy things Kathit has accomplished in his early twenties! Uncover his secrets to success in this week's episode of Tech Exploited. 

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00:00.00
sharonpak5
Hi guys welcome back to another episode of tech exploited this week we have co it pondia so caught it actually I don't know if you know this or not but you are my only friend that I've made online ever like in the history of my life. And who are still like friends to this day. Um, and so yeah, he just randomly messaged me on Instagram 1 time and then we had like a podcast with a couple of episodes but the time difference between the U K and the United States was absolutely insane. We're like we found out through the podcast that we have different daylight savings start and and times because they're.

00:38.36
Kathit
Um.

00:39.82
sharonpak5
Kind of meeting. We're like oh well' meet about this time and it was like different. We're like what's going on. It was daylight savings I think over there over here I don't know something crazy happened so that didn't work out but we've somehow managed to stay friends across the ocean. But very all this time and so yeah, ah.

00:46.49
Kathit
Um, beginning.

00:58.38
sharonpak5
I Still don't really understand what your job is currently so I would love for you to just introduce yourself a little bit and explain what you're currently doing.

01:04.90
Kathit
No for sure of by the way you're the only friend I made online thiser which is kind of crazy. What are people you know I mean like you meet people online and never really sticks and then you actually got along and I feel like you know, a very similar mindset in terms of.

01:11.46
sharonpak5
Ah, let's go.

01:13.79
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

01:20.28
Kathit
Like the ventures we want to go into and things so it's great to you know, find like man people online not all I has that's a good thing but yeah going into my job and what did you do right now. So as you know that I finished my masters at the University Of Warwick because I did a master in mechanical engineering. So you know.

01:24.11
sharonpak5
Yeah, definitely.

01:39.22
Kathit
Come on now among that. Yeah, how yeah is it is a good school. So yeah I did four years there do mechanical engineering and once I graduated I actually became a seller and I moved to my art history. Apparently I work out asset management from.

01:40.24
sharonpak5
Congratulations. What are the best schools in the U K am I right? it.

01:58.44
Kathit
And my role is a global technology graduate. So what that means is I work in the technology division within my company and there's 2 kind of avenues you can take you can take a business analyst route which means you're working with the business as well as the developers and working as ah, you know as a middle person pretty much um you know create and making sure that developers have everything they need.

02:15.50
sharonpak5
Um.

02:18.43
Kathit
Creating the user flow diagrams for the project you have at hand or you can take the developer route which means that you're getting involved with the frontend backend. Um, and I'm I'm doing a full stack rotation right now. So that means is my two years I'm doing full stack development. Um, across all my projects And yeah, that's a little bit of a overview I'm doing right now.

02:35.38
sharonpak5
So wait. First of all what how? why did you end up in software as a mechanical engineering bachelor's and masters from like top 10 university in the u k like I don't understand how that happened.

02:41.93
Kathit
He said.

02:49.25
Kathit
And interesting because I feel like when I was in my masters. Um, a lot of my Modules wear computational Modules I did a few software engineering modules and attend to score higher in the software related Module So like um, it will for my menp part where you know what? um fluid dynamics is. So I did computational fluid dynamics and then my dissertation which is what you do in your final year. The big project which is a majority of the chunk of your degree at that point it and it ended up being online and a simulation instead of in-person. So It was meant to be the project title is increasing the efficiency of an ice engine. So Internal comal.

03:25.93
sharonpak5
Um.

03:26.00
Kathit
And then with Covid everything changed So like everything lined up from internships to that project had to be virtual. So my professor at the time was like how about we do a simulation of it instead of the actual thing since you can't come to the lab more than once a week and I was like.

03:28.40
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

03:41.13
sharonpak5
Ah.

03:42.26
Kathit
so yeah so I ended up doing everything on like Matlab with bit python as well and that whole new board game for me because of course we did matlab in some of our modules but not much python at least started doing that getting better at it and then you know did well in the dissertation by the end of it and I was like okay I'm going to hang out these things.

03:46.56
sharonpak5
Um, ah.

03:50.73
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

03:59.81
Kathit
And then it's time to apply and get a job so it was like midway through the year I was like okay, let me do some engineering interviews So I interviewed a few engineering companies after that I was like okay I've got a few offices now and I was feeling satisfied I was like okay I'll just pick one of them. It was going to be Ge initially and Ge Amazon I was like.

03:59.95
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

04:15.94
sharonpak5
Um.

04:17.89
Kathit
These two are great for engineering I'll pick one of them I was let's see what else is out there and a few banks were still opened because I started with early bird applications which means before everyone starts applying you get these early bird applications which means the first come first served and you get free about a lot faster.

04:21.31
sharonpak5
Um.

04:32.63
sharonpak5
And.

04:36.47
Kathit
Um, so I was like okay ah all these banks still open I might as well give it a go and just see what kind of roles they have data related or software related just to see if I could get in for me I was just enjoying getting these offers I was like you know this is nice and I interned out a fintech company at the time as well and I was ah yeah so I interned out a company called humanize Ai.

04:42.26
sharonpak5
Are.

04:50.34
sharonpak5
Yeah I remember that.

04:56.43
Kathit
Um, and for like the 2 partners there helped me quite a bit in terms of understanding. Um, what finance and what technology can do to drive innovation in finance and I enjoyed that quite a bit so I thought I really enjoyed that maybe let's see what kind of things banks can offer since it's on such a larger scale and yeah, apply.

05:12.32
sharonpak5
Okay.

05:14.73
Kathit
There go and I enjoyed it and I felt like the interview days on the assessment centers. What we call it here were quite enjoyable and you know I felt like a corporate environment like an office was much more better suited to me. So yeah, instead of a factory which is like 2 hours outside London that was it for me. Yeah.

05:26.86
sharonpak5
Um, ah I remember that being like so you're like Wow Ge the year're like this is in the middle of nowhere I don't want to work.

05:35.31
Kathit
The new of working all the way. Southampton is where the offices and I'm a London boy like grew up in London my whole life I can't do it I'm sorry I cant here's him I needed a yeah, they gave me an office I got office from.

05:48.50
sharonpak5
Ah, they gave you an offer though right.

05:53.45
Kathit
Quite a few engineering companies. So I got mercedes Amg I was meant to andn i' Maclaren but I got cancelled because of covid and yeah ge was a big one is all I give me an offer for like applied to a bunch in aviation aerospace and automotive. So I went to rubber like.

06:01.90
sharonpak5
Um.

06:09.94
sharonpak5
Um.

06:10.92
Kathit
All these companies are like great and all but I feel like the package and the toss at hand seemed a bit repetitive for me and that the the company I'm and projects I'm doing are like they're big. Don't get me wrong, but like it's a chance to like finish a project and move on to something different where you let new skills a new tech stack and just developing a skill set.

06:15.53
sharonpak5
And.

06:26.80
sharonpak5
Ah.

06:29.59
sharonpak5
But I'm like so I'm I'm still like baffled that you ended up in the role that you did just knowingly your background right? because I'm like you like started your own drone delivery service during covered. Ah if I don't know if you want to talk a little bit about that but like just knowing that.

06:30.80
Kathit
Constantly, that's bit more my style working.

06:42.22
Kathit
Um, business.

06:46.53
sharonpak5
And then knowing that you got into all these different like manufacturing roles and then how you did your project for like senior design and your master's program on Robotics I'm like oh you know like he's going to do manufacturing like me like he's He's a a shoe ah like he's a shoe in he's he's good and that he's like I'm doing software and I'm like what.

06:53.76
Kathit
Are.

07:00.10
Kathit
Yeah, more that was a bit recover so like for the viewers that haven't um, you know don't know this which you probably don't me and Shang were actually like you know, constantly working together on projects articles things like that all throughout my time at university as well.

07:16.22
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

07:16.75
Kathit
I launched my business the middle of time to her actually and I had that business which was called neurotimes it was an ed tech company pretty much had roughly 90 to 100 people helping create articles and projects revolving around engineering life sciences law and yeah and finance of course so like.

07:32.45
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

07:34.92
Kathit
Had all these things going on and that's when we were like I thought I'd reach out to on Instagram and see if we can work together for maybe an article or some sort of like collaboration project since she had a platform that was doing well and I thought you know would have a good mix of in terms of energy and the content we could produce and then yeah doing that I remember sending her my cv I was like. Check this out. What do you think? Yeah i' blocked to this application across and you know like and name was all in form me. So at that time we had covered here and my area is called aging copyulation. So like it's a bunch of old people in my area and they had a lot of problems because people were over buying. All the things at the supermarkets so things like milk groceries. Um and then things like sanitizers tissues. Basically every day need things they were like you know we had such low high demand for such low supply. So what that meant was. People weren't able to get what they needed so I thought why not create a contact free drone delivery service with things I had and growing up as a big you know, big lover and very passionate about robotics I had quite a few electronics flying around. So yeah I had quite a few electronics lying about the house. So I thought why not. Take everything apart and put together a quick drone and see if I can you know have it carries a bag full of like groceries and things like that and this is that's exactly what I did so I ended up completing over 48 deliveries in my local area I was completely unmanned and made of household appliances pretty much and did that and then.

09:09.00
Kathit
That that was obviously a great project the local newspaper you know, reached out to me. They wanted to get more coverage on us. So more people could get involved and ended up passing you onto a company in India to like do that on a larger scale because I'm actually from India and my area suffered quite a bit so I thought why not help out in that side and see that can make a difference in other areas and except.

09:28.70
sharonpak5
You just say that so casually, you're just like oh you know I just got some household items I just made a drone and I just delivered it and I just got you know featured on the local newspaper I just had a company where I had like a hundred people under me for a little bit all good and you say all these things like that like just normal things that people do.

09:28.14
Kathit
But just might.

09:32.82
Kathit
Um, happened.

09:38.49
Kathit
Um.

09:47.53
sharonpak5
But I'm like no cause that these are not normal things that people do on their free time. You're crazy.

09:52.52
Kathit
Look at Eternity go I mean I felt that sinceors started working the reason I closed on the business was because we had a few conflicts of interest with my company I work with a few. Um, um, my companies in finance that you know large banks that work with me for events and things like that in terms of promotion.

10:00.62
sharonpak5
Um.

10:08.89
Kathit
And that wasn't really allowed so had to close on the business like yeah, yeah, no, and the I end up selling I still have it for me. It's more about the memory.

10:10.93
sharonpak5
What happened with it because I know you had an opportunity to sell it a couple times right 0 times but you did it. So.

10:23.41
Kathit
You know when you put so much effort like I put 3 straight years of hard work into a light I was putting like in my business and university at one point and it's like you put in all these hours and the business was like it started up with me alone and then I had my friends get involved and like like leaders in their own area.

10:28.29
sharonpak5
Um.

10:42.16
Kathit
So like 1 of my cost friends was a lawyer so I'm doing law at warwick as well and I was like why don't you get involved 1 of my friends was at Cambridge and I was like why don't you get involved a few are imperial I was like get involved like having all me and my like community very much get together and push out content and do what we are like very passionate about. Something I just couldn't put a price to to be honest with you. Um and parts of it I did sell and I did give away but in terms of the major chunk of the content actual website and everything like that. That's I've kept all of that to myself. Yeah.

11:01.55
sharonpak5
Earth.

11:15.48
sharonpak5
Wait so couple questions. So for I didn't know that you still had it I thought you actually sold it because I know that we were talking about it for a little bit. We're like oh someone gave me an offer and then I'm thinking about it So in my head I'm like oh okay I Just thought that you like sold it off I didn't know that you still had it. Um, By. Which parts did you decide to keep and why and then which parts did you like sell off.

11:35.91
Kathit
Yeah, so like I had a business before this one which was called hype fit um, it was an ecommerce business or I and 1 favorite business when I really young then I'd hype fit all through my 6 form time. So I end of high school year're 12 That's it.

11:39.75
sharonpak5
How many businesses did you have my guy I didn't even know you had this one too.

11:51.95
sharonpak5
Ah.

11:52.97
Kathit
Um, and that made me a bit of money at the time it was basically working with a few retailers to like sell their stuff for you know retail price So I became a partner with them and I sold different things So like in my school The dress code was actually wearing shirts. You know trousers So smart wear pretty much.

12:12.52
sharonpak5
Um, earth.

12:12.63
Kathit
1 of the big retailers. AhTmLuen I work with them and I got a discount on their product. So let's say 15 to 20 to 25% across different good and I'll sell it for 5% below retail and sometimes let's just sell it for retail depending on the product I'll do that and then I'd keep the ten fifteen percent at the end of the day and then I started off with that.

12:19.12
sharonpak5
Are.

12:27.57
sharonpak5
Ah.

12:32.40
Kathit
And then a lot of people on my area side buying from that and then I moved to luxury ecommerce So like I love design the brands at least when I was a kid so I was like okay I've got I've got quite a lot of things and certain places give you early access when you stop buying enough, you get discounts every now and then so I thought why not make use of that.

12:36.56
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

12:50.80
Kathit
So I'd sell designer stuff for lower than retail and people would obviously come to me for that and then I'd keep whatever the margin was left um in my pocket so that made quite a bit of money. Um, free out my 2 3 years of doing that couldn't manage when I got into university and that's the business I ended up selling because I had a lot of traffic on our website. Um, because I do a lot of stuff at promotion I work with charities that crisis for homeless children and things like that where you know there's constantly traction on that website and you know businesses want to buy businesses like that out so that they can use that traffic sense so high up in the in the Google search side. Anyways.

13:28.26
sharonpak5
Gotcha So you basically started this hype fit thing while you're in high school.

13:29.28
Kathit
Yeah, yeah, now was the first business I but like properly put out lana spent time on. Yeah.

13:36.52
sharonpak5
And if you don't mind share I was like how much money were you making approximately when you're like so reselling these things for their profit margins of like 10 to 15%

13:44.64
Kathit
I think by the end of it by the time I sold it. It was between 10 to 25 grand so ten yeah and that's like post tax made that and then I feel like other things would donate the charity. So like the crisis line I had to like the line I had.

13:53.89
sharonpak5
That's not bad at all.

14:03.96
sharonpak5
Yeah.

14:04.34
Kathit
That was all donated probably made the most money and then I end up donating all that money. So like nothing went in my pocket but except the cost of production but the office all went to them So I feel like yeah it could have made more but I feel I ended it too early which was one of the big regrets I had but I couldn't manage that.

14:10.82
sharonpak5
Wow. Ah, while.

14:22.40
sharonpak5
Um.

14:22.56
Kathit
Was my first year of university I was like I just want to enjoy my life. You know, chill and then one year in I was like oh i' bored I want to do something again and that's when neuro timess kind of give. But.

14:33.37
sharonpak5
Gotcha okay, and then like what made you want to start a business in high school I felt that's not normal for you to like start businesses in high school I don't know anyone that started a business like that in high school. Maybe they'll like buy a limited edition shoes right? and then they'll sell it or resell it. But I was like that's probably the closest thing those that my friends have done in high school in terms of like or like Pokemon Cards

14:44.52
Kathit
You have.

14:51.80
Kathit
Yeah, you can pay money nowadays as well.

14:55.14
sharonpak5
Yeah, but not like a proper business. So like how did you learn all that stuff. What made you want to do that in high school.

15:01.57
Kathit
Yeah, so like my grandparents in India started off like my granddas actually 1 of 8 and his parents unfortunately passed away really early. So like he had the responsibility to take care of all his siblings and India's not like America or the Uk where you know you can just go to like.

15:11.25
sharonpak5
Are.

15:19.92
Kathit
You get adopted and then you know you get a nice family just the other line you get all these benefits from the government but there it's quite hard and that meant him starting a business very very early so he would go. He would literally spend hours every single day between his works shifts to like watch and just learn from a local auto repair shop.

15:27.10
sharonpak5
Um.

15:38.10
Kathit
And you just watch them fix bikes and fix um like cars things like that and you just you know spent hours every single day doing it one day of the guy was like you know you come every single day. Do you want to try yourself and he said yeah and then did that for like I know worked if I think 2 years and then unfortunately the owner of it passed away.

15:38.58
sharonpak5
Um.

15:43.49
sharonpak5
Um.

15:55.42
sharonpak5
Oh well while.

15:57.10
Kathit
And in his work. My granddad as the owner of the place. So with this shop and then made it into a chain all across India at that point at least in my where I'm from gura did that um there was a 1 shop that stayed the whole way through as the earth the rest of them were be sold I'm not too really sure but that 1 shop stayed the whole way through. Um, and yeah that that was his shot and that was like for me and then my parents when they moved it moved to London it was I was three years old and then since then they started were getting jobs in and then they eventually my dad and mom both quit their jobs and saw the business and that's what really like moved us up and seeing that transition from.

16:34.69
sharonpak5
Um.

16:36.21
Kathit
Working for someone else to working for yourself seeing it from my family back home seeing it here. It's a massive like inspiration. It was a lot of motivation for me at least and for me as I just wanted to get involved like I knew how to like I wanted to create learn how to make a website so I can give my like dad's business. For example, online presence because he was ready.

16:45.48
sharonpak5
Yeah, yeah.

16:54.00
sharonpak5
Um.

16:54.38
Kathit
Developer I think Fifteen Twenty Thousand for a website ah us absurd let me give it a go and I was like 15 and that's what really started my like love for like website creation on you know, coding pretty much.

17:05.49
sharonpak5
Yeah, and so then I didn't know that your parents also owned. Ah ah, their own business either. But I was like this is like trend of entrepreneurship kind of runs in your family then it seems like where your grandparents and now your parents and then now you kind of right because right now you're working.

17:11.63
Kathit
Perhaps.

17:17.95
Kathit
Um, in that. Um.

17:23.66
sharonpak5
Um, but I know that you've mentioned a couple times where you're like oh I want to start my own like business type of deal too.

17:28.32
Kathit
Yeah, so like the aim for me would be to keep expanding my network keep being a bad asset to my company has a right now work towards and for me right now is about like climbing the corporate ladder increasing my network um increasing my knowledge divers find that skill set because where technology like as you know is constantly adapting.

17:35.85
sharonpak5
Um.

17:46.20
Kathit
Right now we've got ai, we've got blockchain technology all these things that just there's new Trends constantly coming out. Um I want to be able to be someone else at the front run these trends knowing how to like quickly learn these things when I get to that point eventually. Um and it's a four years time I like to have my own star and just quit my job and just.

17:47.26
sharonpak5
Um.

18:04.68
Kathit
Go for a hundred percent in the meantime right now. So working on something on a side I'm giving myself like a year or so ideally ideally I'd say next next by Christmas time Christmas to March I fill out want something and then it won't be 100% of my energy going into that. But.

18:04.77
sharonpak5
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

18:11.82
sharonpak5
Um, ah.

18:16.77
sharonpak5
Yeah.

18:23.40
Kathit
Definitely with all this free time I've got outside work I want to have something to keep me busy and keep me you know in that in that space at least I do miss a grab it. Ah.

18:32.54
sharonpak5
I'm like like you're not busy already like were will sales this call yesterday. You're like I'm out till five a M look at the sunlight outside.

18:43.70
Kathit
Um, you outdoor 5 has to stop for me who now.

18:48.31
sharonpak5
Um, like this guy is always doing something like I don't know what you're doing but I know you're always up to something like.

18:54.69
Kathit
Ah, me home for me. It's like I love being home by the same time like any chance to get out and do something I'm that I'm the first one to say yes I don't have to say no yeah, that's the thing could be anything could be hey do you want to do a meeting here but like yeah, do you want to go out here. Yep. You want to go back to this. All? Yeah, so like there's no, you know I just like being outside and right now in like for everyone in the Uk. You know when you get summer in the Uk. It's the best time of the year everything's opening up. Everyone's positive for once because it's so long cold over time here that you only get a few months of actual sun. So.

19:14.64
sharonpak5
Ah.

19:28.50
Kathit
But even the other day it was raining like literally two days ago is meant to be July is meant to be really really hot here it raining so the weather here is so bipolar. But when you get the good days. You have just something the most of them I guess.

19:37.74
sharonpak5
You know I used to not be able to relate to you when I was living in Southern California but living in Seattle now I'm going to the exact same thing where I'm like oh my gosh a summer. It's not raining. It's not foggy all the time like we need to go outside now.

19:52.71
Kathit
Um, exactly and he but maybe enough.

19:53.36
sharonpak5
Yeah, and then like in California it's just like always sunny so it's just like oh it's whatever, right? like you could do whatever you want son will be there tomorrow but now I'm like we only have we're like halfway through summer when we have half left I we need to maximize every opportunity we have while the sun is still here.

20:08.13
Kathit
No hundred percent how's it moved to Seattle been for you so far.

20:14.22
sharonpak5
It's been good. Um, so I'm like when was the last time we like properly caught up I don't even know.

20:17.80
Kathit
And you long again. It's been too long I feel like we've messaged when you were on the trip actually I last I you the last time I when when you when you were traveling you on the boat and you met 1 of the one of the founders of that tech stop.

20:22.65
sharonpak5
Which one.

20:32.91
sharonpak5
Dude that was like literally a year ago I've gone to aisha again since then.

20:36.83
Kathit
Yeah I think even know but the way surely no swe all a year ago. There's no way I'm trying um ref refuse believe this hold up I'm actually going through our Dms that trying find most.

20:41.42
sharonpak5
That was literally a year ago like more than a year ago.

20:53.90
Kathit
Is' no ways but a year no No we talked about um your next summer plans as well. If you remember I last relative. Yeah when you launch a new launched take explain takes bullets right when you launch take exploited. Yeah.

20:58.97
sharonpak5
Oh that's right? That's right.

21:07.22
sharonpak5
Yeahy Yay! Um, so actually on that boat that guy was also from the U K He has a U K ah passport and so he started. He co-s started a company with his friend.

21:15.29
Kathit
Um, no no.

21:22.67
sharonpak5
And so his friend basically just told him like hey like I have this company like can you come join and ah like come partner with me to come start this company and within a year they basically exploded where they have offices now in Hong Kong and the Uk in Singapore where they live now. Um, and then they also have it. In Taiwan I believe and then New York and so they've just like expanded like crazy and they're basically a consulting firm like an engineering consulting firm.

21:49.51
Kathit
On your day. That's the that's actually the dream pretty much I want to go into like software I So like tech consoling um like I further that business is amazing and you get that client interaction which I feel like everyone really needs I feel like our personalize at least need a bit of client or.

21:57.47
sharonpak5
Okay.

22:09.50
Kathit
People interaction which at least right? my company not my company but like my job I don't really get no matter where I really go for as a developer. You'll get that interaction that you kind of really want you know.

22:10.61
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

22:14.70
sharonpak5
And.

22:20.32
sharonpak5
That's what I was going to ask you about too because I feel like you and I were very like similar in terms of like we're people people or people persons and so with a software engineering role like the reason why I like manufacturing is because I have both like my computer work. But I also have like my shop floor.

22:26.66
Kathit
Um, that people person now.

22:36.44
sharonpak5
And then I have my text on the floor where I get to interact with them. The other engineers have to interact with on a daily so it's like a fifty fifty split but with software engineering the reason why I couldn't learn it I've tried brainwashing myself to like software engineering so many times because they make such good money right? I'm like wow and you guys get to work from home. You don't have to be in the office all the time.

22:41.22
Kathit
Um, yeah.

22:46.52
Kathit
Um, get certain say.

22:52.79
Kathit
Um, yeah, um.

22:55.16
sharonpak5
Like it sounds luxurious but I just can't be on a computer um for it or however, many hours a day you work right? and have that be my job. Yeah I might I just can't bring myself to do it and so like seeing you do that like's kind of inspiringly if Ka could do it. Maybe I could do it all no like.

23:02.31
Kathit
Too many now.

23:12.30
Kathit
is is I feel like it's weird. It's almost like a sine wave. We like certain projects like my last project I worked on an Ai project can't really speak too much about it. But my company's into Ai right now so you know getting used to that and being on that team I was fortunate enough to get a rotation on that project.

23:20.78
sharonpak5
Yeah.

23:29.53
Kathit
And in that project I feel like the team size was 10 to 15 people and we have daily standups where you know you talk about how much how far you're getting along with this task you have with the Pbis and you know any blockers or anything you might have anything you might have so I feel like in those meetings we had all 15 people in them so you get to interact but it's only half an hour long and but you still get like different means where you need a catch up with someone things like that. But a team I'm on right now is like I've got more ownership on this project. So it's just me ahead of data. That's it and like someone under him which is the engineering lead. So just 3 of us every week so I've got a whole week. Um I've got empty calendar just work to do pretty much.

23:56.63
sharonpak5
Ah.

24:04.37
sharonpak5
Um, okay.

24:07.54
Kathit
So it's not as exciting when it comes to like the client like not client but a people interaction that I kind of miss so it really depends on the project sometime. It can be quite a lot. Um, you can go to events I want an ai event I feel like last month which is amazing. Um, it was called the ai summit it happens it happened in London at least this year just

24:11.97
sharonpak5
If.

24:24.48
sharonpak5
Oh wow.

24:26.95
Kathit
Like meet a lot of people and it was two days long which was actually amazing. It was a great opportunity because I feel like so many of the biggest companies across the world actually came in for that did talks action packed two days where you just get a bunch of like lectures you get through like you know people explain what they're doing there.

24:34.28
sharonpak5
While.

24:44.55
Kathit
Understandings of new regulations ethics new ai coming out even tutorials as well. So I sat through a 2 or 3 lab tutorials they had where they actually go through certain a certain like algorithms for example and really ah you know, dissect them and explain to you how you can do it as well. So you bring your laptop and you actually learn on the spot.

24:55.11
sharonpak5
Who.

25:02.63
Kathit
Which is actually pretty useful. But yeah, so like certain so you get these opportunities by the same time. There will be times where you don't get those you know those interactions you want which is it happens and I feel like you just got a work around it. So like.

25:02.99
sharonpak5
While.

25:14.42
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

25:17.84
Kathit
I like to get involved with a few things. So like how what I play football every Wednesday with my work colleagues. It's like the company organizes it and you go to like a local pitch and you go play football. So like you you can pitch football pitch like a ground does that does that help.

25:27.47
sharonpak5
Wait where you go to a local what with a football pitch. Is it like a feel like a because football is not football in the States. It's like soccer in the states right.

25:36.99
Kathit
We call it. What would be no up. That's I That's a whole argument. We're not going to get into.

25:48.79
sharonpak5
Yeah, so you go to like a quote unquote like soccer feel big guys call it a football pitch. Okay okay gotcha.

25:54.49
Kathit
Yep, yeah, we got a football bitch I Can't believe that's not come across before. But yeah, but yeah, it's a football pitch. We go there and it's a bunch of other companies that come as well. So like a set day where everyone kind of comes you play Fiveside football is quite a bit of fun and there's always like some sort of work event that goes on.

26:01.55
sharonpak5
Um, okay.

26:11.75
Kathit
I'm quite close with the rest of my colleagues. So we tend to do like coffee chats things all that. But yeah I feel like that's the part of the consultancy side I kind of would like where you get to you know work with other people will speak with clients consistently. Yeah I feel like there's ups and downs in every side of any project right.

26:12.38
sharonpak5
Um.

26:22.41
sharonpak5
Here.

26:28.24
sharonpak5
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, and so then um, now knowing that you're working in Cs right? And you're basically a developer do you if you're to go back in time would you have majored in Cs by Cs instead of emmy or do you think you would have still done.

26:36.43
Kathit
Um, yeah.

26:46.24
sharonpak5
Ah, mechanical engineering. Interesting.

26:47.72
Kathit
I think I would have kept it to emmy, but the only other thing is I Love what I did I really take pride in it like I Really loved engineering I Still love engineering there Nothing I'll take back from it. Um I would have been really really sad if I needed sees the whole way through nice.

26:57.51
sharonpak5
Are.

27:05.40
Kathit
Maybe something and kind this really me boring. Um, of course now like with the work I do yet it help me I'm doing a bunch of classes and like course I'm doing Ibm Fullstep course right now on the side where trying to just op skill so like you'll save me all this time. That's for sure. But then again that practical experience is unparalleled. So like. You're never really gonna get the actual project experience at university in which you get out of workplace. So. It's never really gonna be the same nope it's gonna help you not as much as you think it would with at least one I've heard from my colleagues up done cs but yes I'll stick to this only other thing I kind of wish I did be math math.

27:34.60
sharonpak5
Um, yeah, um.

27:43.30
Kathit
I Love math So like being able to do like mathematics with like a data code. Maybe that maybe that's a bit more exciting for me but pure or mathematics is a bit more me but I like the engineer side I should love the design for me like engineering design was my favorite module. So like I'm not trading that one that way.

27:50.19
sharonpak5
Um, okay.

28:00.57
sharonpak5
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but now you're just like Ultraal balance right? because you know the software side and now you know the mechanical engineering side is like what else do you need maybe electrical rather than that you're good right? But I feel like even electrical like you're pretty solid. Um, because you've worked in robotics and you built your own drones and whatnot.

28:11.55
Kathit
Um, yeah, yeah.

28:18.12
Kathit
yeah um yeah I feel like oh am I university at least a warwick. The first year is generals first year and a half Actually so like everyone the my watch stream you and you could be in computer engineering mechanical electrical electronic. Everyone does a same modules. So like.

28:18.44
sharonpak5
And you need to wire things up.

28:26.83
sharonpak5
Um.

28:32.53
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

28:34.70
Kathit
I had to do electrical classes I had to electrical and circuits I did a bunch of electronic engineering classes. So I feel like the foundations that of course I didn't go up with it to advanced level. But the foundations and I like I used to like electronic a lot but mechanical just has that extra side to it where you know you can see.

28:46.57
sharonpak5
Um.

28:54.12
Kathit
Exactly what you're doing like with wise. There's only so there's a lot you can do with it. Don't get me wrong, but like for the mechanical is just so open in general that you can really dive into different areas which is what I used to find really nice.

29:02.20
sharonpak5
Um.

29:04.46
sharonpak5
So it's it's just like funny to me because people ask you know like oh like which engineering degree should I go into like should I do computer science should I do electrical should I do mechanical should I do computer engineering and I'm like in Kath's case you just did all of them.

29:15.10
Kathit
Um, it depends on the person I feel like I'm not someone that likes a box and to be stuck in a box. So I mechanical has my way out as a way of just go tapping into different domains whether it's aospace Automotive I Could even go to electrical company and like.

29:26.10
sharonpak5
Um.

29:34.70
Kathit
Just given the foundation I can go there as well. So like it really depends If you're really super into electronics and that's what you want to do and that's what you're passionate about go through that the whole way through instead of you know, wasting time on Modules that are gonna be like civil or mechanical like that's just no point at that you know so like it really depends on what you're passionate about like I'd suggest.

29:46.77
sharonpak5
Are yeah.

29:53.65
Kathit
Trying to do a few general modules first year so just get you get a hang of everything and then you see okay this is a bit more me and this what I really enjoy doing and then as its do that and just keep going up and just increasing the skills in that area.

30:02.56
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

30:05.43
sharonpak5
And how have you been increasing your skills because obviously like you built websites in the past, but that's nothing compared to like the ai stuff that you're doing right now. So like what have you been doing in the background and I know that we we talked a little bit earlier and you said that um you're starting to do some leak code practice problems as well, right? But how have you been.

30:16.54
Kathit
Um, yeah.

30:19.93
Kathit
You.

30:23.93
sharonpak5
Up skilling to a point where you're now working as a developer.

30:27.83
Kathit
Yeah, so I feel like I'm so working on the job as well. So like it's never like you're never going to be a hundred percent but for me, it's like um, doing a few things so we started off with an ImC qualification so Imc stands for investment management certification. So that increased my financial skills at least.

30:34.87
sharonpak5
Um.

30:45.17
Kathit
Um, and financial knowledge in the area and in the industry So like I feel a bit more competent working in this side just given the and the logic that I'm working with so like as a developer you get a bunch of these problems. You're like okay, you're working with risk or you're working with this kind of date or this kind of fund and like I remember thinking about it once I got the job off I'm like.

30:49.48
sharonpak5
Are.

31:01.57
sharonpak5
Ah.

31:04.42
Kathit
When I get told to work with this What do I do just go on Google and search up what it is I have no idea and I feel like my company really helped me out in that sense and put me you know through that training and the rest of the graduates on that training and that helped us quite a bit improve our knowledge and just re understand what we're doing. Um, in terms of my actual developer skills set also on the side. Um during the summer side react ah react course so react's basically bit of Javascript Css html and reacts library alongside it and that's what's used for a lot of the frontend development at banks and.

31:21.37
sharonpak5
Um.

31:40.58
Kathit
A lot of the companies in finance. So I started with react and it got a lot better at that and I spent six months on a project on react did that I really enjoyed it and I feel like I'm relatively good now a way I understand all the hooks and you know just how to create you know websites.

31:43.00
sharonpak5
Um.

31:49.43
sharonpak5
Um.

31:59.60
Kathit
Applications using it and connecting it the backend things so on and so forth and then now I'm doing an Ibm full stack course because I thought okay I'm goodnna that sql for me was pretty easy to pick up so it's working with databases and yes, yeah, just a lot easier for me to pick up.

32:03.17
sharonpak5
Um.

32:10.76
sharonpak5
Ah.

32:14.96
Kathit
Um, already knew Python from University and from like like things I did in my own Time. So Python I was already relatively good at and that leaves me with the architecture side. So like anyone coming into this business. You might think okay I know a language I'm really good now but then working with the Cloud and understanding. Um Cloud architecture is a massive thing in terms of. Where your data is being stored and where your data is moving around because once you get into an industry like finance a lot of the parts are data migration. What's going on like how we going to store this. Okay, how do we scale this in a very you know agile way as ah, um, I Just a massive keyword for anyone listening right now to me if I say that more than once you know why.

32:38.57
sharonpak5
Um.

32:49.57
sharonpak5
Ah.

32:52.84
sharonpak5
Yeah.

32:54.24
Kathit
Um, doing it in that. Um you know in that kind of way is very important. So yeah I did it I'm doing a course right now on the side. Um on snowflake as well. Um, and I did a few a ws and 0 qualifications as well. So I feel like these are quick to do but you just gotta to be on it and making sure you're doing something alongside. Your work so you get out work or you if you're in university right now this is the perfect time for you to just Upskill. You might be doing great with the university and I know you still have a few hours left over just spend like hour or two hour hour or two hours a week just doing these courses. They're pretty easy to follow that is your and aws ones are pretty short as well.

33:14.44
sharonpak5
Um.

33:32.11
Kathit
And you can find them on their websites. Very easy to find and you get a bunch of tutorials if you like notes there's notes if you like video tutorials they're there as well. So check them out and you know use those because these free resources are just perfect for you At this point.

33:45.54
sharonpak5
And what do you think like keeps you going because I'm like you're not tired after working all day and you're like okay now I need to go upskill right? Like how do you find the motivation to keep doing that like you've always done all this crazy stuff outside of like school now outside of work.

33:55.58
Kathit
Um, yeah.

34:02.35
Kathit
Yeah, feel like is a lot easier with the profession I'm in right now just given the fact that um I feel like I'm but I feel like I'm Potin behind which is not a normal feeling. You shouldn't be feeling either. But I feel like coming from engineering to finance is a point to prove to myself as well where I'm like okay.

34:06.47
sharonpak5
Are.

34:21.36
Kathit
I've come this far worked so hard for engine which is a pretty you know difficult degree to get in the first place but going into finances like I'm trying to move to a whole different ball game and for me, it's like okay you can get good. you can do this you can do that okay how you gonna do better now because I'm sitting there in meetings where I'm like I'm good at this.

34:27.42
sharonpak5
Ah.

34:40.50
Kathit
And they'll say something I've never heard of before and it's like I've got you know as Engineers we're pretty curious people. So if I get own a new idea or a new tech stack or new like way of doing something. They've never come across before automatically in my head is just spinning I'm like okay I then find out what that is and how to do it and is that curiosity I feel like that.

34:46.16
sharonpak5
Um.

34:58.63
Kathit
Gives me the drive to like keep learning more in my own time and I feel like it's bit of a race for me like I want to quickly learn as much as I can and then help drive innovation As soon as I can as well which I'm doing at a very small level right now. But when you've come from a background where you've done a lot and you've seen a lot of progress quickly.

35:10.57
sharonpak5
Um.

35:16.45
sharonpak5
Um.

35:17.48
Kathit
But not on a large enough scale and now you've got the ability to do it on a large enough scale. It's about okay, get the knowledge as soon as you can so you can make that change and see on a massive scale I like the results you know being result from and helps as well.

35:25.88
sharonpak5
Yeah, yeah, definitely yeah, have you ever run into like Burnout or okay.

35:32.94
Kathit
I feel like yeah, no 100% I have I feel like it's a normal feed when you do all these things. Um I feel like when I stopped the business that last month was one of my worst months I think I liked motivation I liked any sort of like ambition to like.

35:47.45
sharonpak5
Ah.

35:51.26
Kathit
Carry on with everything I was doing I just wanted to just do nothing and that's like I've ever really said that before in terms of like my whole life I feel like I've always done something whether it's sporttsworth. There's academics whether it's extracurriculars. It's something I've always wanted to do and it all night there was any sort of push in a certain direction. It's just.

35:55.94
sharonpak5
Um.

36:01.33
sharonpak5
Um.

36:04.40
sharonpak5
Are.

36:09.19
Kathit
Whatever I was passionate about I just gave everything and then by the last year of my university is just I just wanted to just chill like you you go through 4 years of engineering I just got a job off I'm like something's lined up. Don't really want to carry on with the business right now I could tell that with the conflicts of interest that were going to happen.

36:12.63
sharonpak5
Um.

36:25.20
sharonpak5
Um.

36:27.59
Kathit
I'd have to close it down. There's no point. The only other way would have been to set it off or have someone else appointed and go through that whole rebrand way you get rid of all the affiliations you have with these companies and keep the business alive which is what the logical outcome would have been if I wasn't so like done with everything for like.

36:40.28
sharonpak5
Are.

36:45.62
Kathit
Constantly an articles publish. It was constantly a project constantly like a brand that was reaching out to me out to work with it. Just got a bit too much and on the at the same time I was playing crickiet at the time you know I mean like I was doing ah quite a few things I let's say I had to interview one day I'd have some sort of university work. Presentation youth same day and then off that I was meant to have some sort of society thing after that would be this like you have the action pack days where like I'm tired now you know I'm big into movies. So for me I just wanted to watch like 8 movies in a row for being honest. So like I just.

37:23.85
sharonpak5
Ah, yeah, yep.

37:24.95
Kathit
Um, so yeah, it could be of a break. Um, and I went traveling and I love traveling so getting that chance to just spend like a few months away traveling across different countries. That's big for me any chance I get out to travel so like that was big deal for me as well.

37:35.42
sharonpak5
Um, okay, and you feel like that kind of like cured your burnout cured your burnout a little bit or.

37:43.49
Kathit
Yeah, important not to rush things. It taught me to like take my time so like my my new business was meant to be launched I feel. Ah March March April honestly I promise everyone March on Linkedin. So if anyone has connected me before and expect something out in march. July home. Sorry um, like yeah stick to like deadline I give myself bre harsh deadlines I feel like I'm not generous enough when it comes to like spacing up my time and just giving it. You know that natural amount of time. It doesn't always have to be as soon as possible because you want to see something out there on a certain date.

38:05.82
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

38:18.88
Kathit
You can be. You can take your time and you can really give it everything over a basically it doesn't have to be rushed doesn't have to be perfect either which is another problem. So I feel like analyzing what you're good at and how you can manage your time Effectively effectively is best for everyone.

38:25.99
sharonpak5
Yeah, yeah.

38:33.52
sharonpak5
I Feel like we're kind of like on the same boat for both of those things though where it's like we know that the reason why we give ourselves those really harsh deadlines is because we can meet those deadlines if we want to. It's not impossible like it might seem crazy to other people. But it's like we know how like we work So we're like.

38:41.16
Kathit
Exact we have.

38:50.15
Kathit
Um, yeah.

38:51.33
sharonpak5
Yes, it's a harsh deadline but I know that if I actually put in the time and I was actually into it I could totally meet that deadline. But then what we do is I think we're also procrastinators and so ah.

38:54.71
Kathit
Um, yeah.

38:59.82
Kathit
Um, hurt that like you won't do something and you know you can do it and then you just been thinking about how you're gonna like if you if you could see my like planner right now My but like I've got a planner for like.

39:05.30
sharonpak5
But it's It's a horrible combination right? where it's like ah.

39:19.80
Kathit
All the business ideas and things I have there's a bunch of to do list where I'm like I'll do this that the other and the next time'm. Oh yes I didn't get to do any of those things. So I guess I'll just make a do one. It'll be the same thing one what is going or I'll maybe you know what? I'll just watch your video.

39:20.78
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

39:36.79
Kathit
And see what what kind of things I can find online to improve my ideas already I'm like just get started with it. You know it's a horrible combination. Yeah, not wrong.

39:40.13
sharonpak5
Yeah, but it's like once you actually start I don't know if it's the same for you either. But for me, it's like once I actually do it. It's like oh this is actually not as bad as I thought it would be hey yep.

39:52.57
Kathit
Yeah, not let's push I find so difficult where you like it's like swimming almost you know when you go, there's like cold water and you're like oh it's colder. Don't want to get in but when you're in you do start swimming right? So you know that push that initial push is what you need I'm on the same boat. But I feel like now fully started So like.

40:01.82
sharonpak5
Um, yep.

40:11.27
Kathit
Now All I can think about is that and how I'm going to do things I'm actually doing it instead of thinking how I'm going to do so yeah with that.

40:13.42
sharonpak5
Yeah, and I feel like you deserve the time off too because it's just like you are working so hard throughout Uni right? and like you've been working for about a year now and so you were able to take that extra time that you would have normally been working on your business or whatever.

40:29.64
Kathit
Um, yeah, she fit more. Oh love me if.

40:29.78
sharonpak5
And you were able to travel right? Take all these beautiful pictures that you never post anywhere. Ah.

40:38.48
sharonpak5
Ah, yeah, but it's like you're able to kind of just enjoy some time to yourself hang out with friends. Um I know that you took a you got a new car. You got a Tesla right? enjoy like the fruits of your labor and so now that you're kind of like recovering if you will. You're fully recovered and you're like refreshing you're like.

40:48.73
Kathit
Um, you can't.

40:57.38
sharonpak5
Ah, motivated an amp to go do something again now right? Um I feel like it's it'll be really good for you like I'm excited.

41:03.79
Kathit
No yeah, no 100% I feel like a good break needed for everyone and it's important to also like manage your time so that you don't go through that burnout because honestly, you should avoid ah any any you know every host. It's not something that's you know suggested so if you take 1 thing on this podcast is don't burn yourself out. Take the tablet on the have that balance that is important like even like in my last project I worked on one of the key feedbacks I got was don't burn yourself out and learn to manage time more effectively and I feel like that's such a good piece of advice because it wasn't like ah you're overworking. It was more so.

41:23.80
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

41:29.92
sharonpak5
And.

41:40.90
Kathit
You're going up above and beyond which is amazing and no company would say no to that. But it's all about making sure that you're prioritizing everything in your personal life as much as well I feel like I'm at point in my career where I'm still new to it. So I'm I'm putting in 150% which is almost natural but that's just my personality I like to go 100

41:47.23
sharonpak5
And.

41:55.88
sharonpak5
Um, yeah, yeah.

41:59.28
Kathit
Sent into things just so that I just you know get good as soon as possible because it feels like when I'm working for a company I owe them something and I feel a lot of people feel like that as well. So if you can relate just make sure you manage your time you know in a more effective way where you are giving it that one hundred and fifty percent

42:05.36
sharonpak5
Is.

42:16.75
Kathit
But you're also doing things in that parity in that order you want as well. So that you get time to do other things as well as this work and other than just you know work on your business. It could be you know anything that you're passionate about just having that break and putting things in between. It is very very important.

42:32.88
sharonpak5
And how would you like do that now. Um, how would you implement that now that you've gone through Burnout and now other people are telling you don't burn out again right? So learning from that like what measures are you putting in place to prevent that from happening again.

42:45.67
Kathit
Yeah I feel like right now I'm our point where the burnout doesn't seem possible just because I'm working really hard. Yeah, but it's I'm so passionate I feel like it's really hard to burn yourself out when you're just extremely passionate and just enjoying every part of what you do so for me, it's not feeling like work when I get home and doing other things. Just feels like a bit of fun. Um I spend a lot of time online anyways. So being online doing things I like is exactly what anyone would want so when when it starts feeling like work is when you should really start taking a step back and thinking. Okay, what's going on. How do I you know have that balance for myself as well and I feel like another key thing I'm doing is. Moment I'm giving myself hours in the day so this is like something that a friend suggested to me because one of my friends actually works at a hedge fund and his life is pretty crazy when it comes to like waking up at five o'clock you know leaving the office by Eight o'clock or nine o'clock and it's like there's no time for anything else because you just got to go home sleep.

43:25.74
sharonpak5
Are.

43:39.39
sharonpak5
This is.

43:44.74
Kathit
Ready for the work tomorrow morning as well. It's like ah like a cycle and he was like he's been giving himself very strict timetables sort. But so like let's say waking up at a certain point. You know if you want to go gym. Go gym to a certain point get out of there. So there's no, you're not going above that time limit so that especially when it comes to work here does this so like.

43:46.70
sharonpak5
Um.

43:59.30
sharonpak5
Is.

44:04.27
Kathit
Having fixed times during your day where you're allowed to you know, just log in and log off instead of just dragging that time along along and be like whether you know you can be in the zone and really enjoying the work you're doing but having that stop-off point is so important because you can always pick up tomorrow morning is not like the worst running away from you. So.

44:15.73
sharonpak5
Are.

44:21.62
Kathit
Having that stop off point is so important and you know putting those boundaries in place so that you can really do everything you enjoy? Um, in in the day and like instead of always procrastinating and think about how you can just do everything at once.

44:26.44
sharonpak5
Are.

44:32.88
sharonpak5
Yeah, do you have any like tools that you use to help you with that in terms of planning your day and create like those stopoff points or do you just know it's like at 5 am m and this is what time I wake up. Obviously you don't wake up at 5 am you go to sleep at 5 a m but.

44:43.75
Kathit
Um, yeah, but there's actually 2 things I use. So um, there's firstly this's trello so I have a trello board for my project management I'm doing that for water toss I have a handwrip length ways going around. Let's say.

44:56.52
sharonpak5
Okay.

45:03.17
Kathit
Work relay or you know relate to like courses I'm doing things I that so all of that comes on the treador right now and then I give myself a lot I use 1 note quite a bit I don't know why people don't use it enough I I love 1 note like my is my favorite thing ever. It's like I can draw I can type.

45:14.10
sharonpak5
I love 1 note. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

45:20.72
Kathit
I can you know create a boards to do list reminders like it's amazing. My eyes. So yeah I love 1 note so Microsoft please wants me but no I absolutely love 1 note so I be I suggest that to everyone answerly because you have so much space I feel like a word document just feels like you're in like 1 line. You're just going down down down down down. Whereas 1 knows like the page never really ends so you can have a bunch of stuff just the way you like it Hanna I'm a pretty messy guy when it comes to things like that where I'm like if I'm doing a project where it's just you know, um, you know I've got like things to plan or things like that I like everything that's out there. Um in like a massive brainstorm.

45:41.90
sharonpak5
Um, yep.

45:54.36
sharonpak5
Um, yeah, yeah.

45:59.54
Kathit
Everything connecting with each ja on one massive page. So I feel like I do that 1 note I give myself myself a lot to do to ask every day. Um and you can add a little tick I give myself these custom you know, custom and emojis and things like that. So it's nice I feel like you can get through a lot of your day and have keep an eye on what needs to be done.

46:08.74
sharonpak5
Yep.

46:17.49
Kathit
So like small things even going gym I just put on a to do list nowadays ill be yeah I made another one today and as like make it you know email this organizer create this plan you know, link code practice. Um, it is a course I need to do and I needt pay for by the end of the week so like added that so like.

46:21.79
sharonpak5
Huh.

46:30.61
sharonpak5
Um.

46:35.90
Kathit
Just having you know everything out there if you if you're someone that likes handwra as you go? Yeah, you can go to your local stationery store and get sort of a nice planner as well. Like do what is your best you know is is best favored for you and your style working but just get started having some sort of organization is so important to you know, keep up.

46:47.27
sharonpak5
Um, yeah, definitely um, have you found any like conflicts of interest because you're a yes man right? So if people ask you like haa you want to do you want to hang out. Do you want to go out. Do you want to like go to south of France you're like yes right.

46:54.47
Kathit
Yeah, exactly.

46:59.96
Kathit
Um, yeah.

47:06.21
sharonpak5
But then now you have like your work you're trying to work out now too Super proud of you for that. Um, and then you have your business that you're trying to do and that's a lot right? So like how do you organize that and how do you prioritize? what you want to do because that's something I struggle with too.

47:09.18
Kathit
Yeah, was never had.

47:20.88
Kathit
Yeah, yeah, so I feel like the past um like month has you have changed and I've been because it's important to highlight your strengths and weaknesses and like when you don't know it's the scariest thing because you're like you don't youre doing something you're gonna keep making that same mistake without improving the person.

47:24.77
sharonpak5
Is.

47:34.62
sharonpak5
And.

47:38.80
Kathit
And that personal development is so key for everyone. So I feel like a key thing. Everyone should do actually is write down your terms and weaknesses on a piece of paper and just really analyze how you could improve yourself as a person because yeah, you can improve yourself Academically you can improve yourself in terms of career in you know your business could improve but like.

47:47.51
sharonpak5
Are.

47:56.46
Kathit
If you're if you're not going yourself. It's not really ideal because everything in elevate which you're not elevating with everything is no real point. So I feel like I've highlighted my weaknesses and I kind of know I'm working towards and saying Yes, it's definitely one of them. What people like I love going out but I've you know.

48:01.26
sharonpak5
And.

48:09.31
sharonpak5
Um.

48:15.34
Kathit
Cut myself down quite a bit and I'm like okay I'll go up. Let's say once every three weeks so like knowing okay I'll you know having this I'm doing this I'm not going to do this so like being able to say no at the right point and you know put yourself first where you know? Okay, if I go out today and let's say I meet a few friends later on today.

48:20.60
sharonpak5
Um.

48:23.73
sharonpak5
Who.

48:33.37
Kathit
And I get homeless if for like 12 I won't make gyms tomorrow. What's a bigger priority for me, you have the gym side. Okay I won't go out. Maybe it could be like a Friday and I'll be like okay geep I don't um I might take a recipe tomorrow I might go out and instead so like it really just it all depends on you as a person and working towards your goals so like for me is saying no quite a bit nowadays.

48:37.57
sharonpak5
Are ah.

48:53.17
Kathit
And just knowing I've got like 3 targets having a lot of targets I feel like it's difficult for someone like me so having a few targets where I've got like 3 or 4 things I'm working towards and then so you know you know living my life around those so that there's never a point in where I feel like I'm just out of focus. So.

49:09.16
sharonpak5
Okay, and what do you think are like your 4 big targets right now I know that obviously like coding's 1 right and improving your skill set there. Yeah.

49:11.81
Kathit
Doing that is pretty helpful.

49:19.45
Kathit
Bring the math. Yeah, and then the rest of them are just like personal targets so like um one of them would be just you know to consistently go gym for the next six months and like I used to like like Kong Fu and I used to do kong fu boxing for a very short amount of time I really enjoyed it so I want to get back into that.

49:33.84
sharonpak5
The.

49:37.20
Kathit
Um I was a massive cyclist I used to love cycling I did that for like 3 4 years and then now I'm just my stamin this horrible metor I was before like you know, start cycling again start playing football again. So like being more active in terms of the sports as well as Jim is a massive thing. My whole life has been sports and then these past two years.

49:46.61
sharonpak5
Are.

49:55.30
sharonpak5
Um.

49:56.78
Kathit
Been no sports at all so like putting that back out then getting you know back into terms of everything is massive. Um, so I want to yeah second ones definitely get active. Third one would be to just have these priorities so like sticking to things so like you you get distracted when you opportunities come by by like itking to things all the way through.

50:03.32
sharonpak5
Um.

50:10.45
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

50:15.88
Kathit
Is massive like that's a big deal for me and that's something I used to struggle with because when things can't whether it's work whether it's on personal life if all these opportunities keep coming I say yes to 1 of them having having that you know that strength to say no I'm doing this I'm going to stick to this.

50:19.26
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

50:32.94
Kathit
Is um, is a big characteristic that I feel like everyone should really have. It's amazing to get all these options of course like it's very flattering as well. But like being able to say no and seeing something food to the end avoids you? um you know having that burn out having that extra stress that you don't really need.

50:36.74
sharonpak5
Um.

50:49.90
sharonpak5
Um.

50:50.50
Kathit
Ah, being early in your career. Everyone tends to take on these extra things which is amazing. But like if you don't think there's a way of managing them and having a personal life. There's no real point so that's that's another that's another one and I feel like the final one is business related where. I want to make sure I attend more more like events I really enjoy events which I never really went to I had a lot of opportunities to go but I never really took the time to go to a lot of these massive events whether it's ai events or there's tech events all around the world I want to attend a few in different countries as well. I want to call America for 1 so you know drag.

51:11.18
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

51:22.91
sharonpak5
Yes.

51:25.56
Kathit
That one Pi sure. But yeah so I want to like travel more before you know me all these contacts and all these people I've met before as well. So like having that chance sort of follow up have these conversations meet more likeminded people and our networking side is definitely a big target of mine because I love speaking to people and I love creating network.

51:31.80
sharonpak5
Are.

51:40.91
sharonpak5
I have.

51:43.97
Kathit
So I should need just stay on that and keep expanding it.

51:48.32
sharonpak5
Gotcha and you feel like you like by yourself and like all these different goals that you have and you're like working in a silo or do you have other friends in like a community of people in London who are kind of doing the same thing as you that like keep you going.

51:59.41
Kathit
Um, I feel like the industry I'm in. Everyone's a super motivated so I feel like finance sector here especially in London is just crazy where everyone's no one's ever satisfied which is a good feeling and a good atmosphere to be around because no one's ever going to say oh I'm just comfortable.

52:03.76
sharonpak5
Um.

52:14.81
sharonpak5
And.

52:16.45
Kathit
And like and that's not what you want to hear because that inside your head you start thinking? Well maybe I should be comfortable too. So being part of that hungry mindset is perfect at this young age I feel like and when it comes ah in terms of my goals. It's it's a difficult one because things like starting a business I've got friends also have these um you know these. Um, ambitions and motivations. But when it comes to things like the gym. My closest friends are this is the last thing they're going to there a gym so it's not really what I've been begging them to join the same gym with me because we can all go together for when when they heard going at 5 am m on our work. They're like that's not happening for me and for me I rather go gym in the morning than.

52:50.23
sharonpak5
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

52:54.16
Kathit
After work after I just want to get home and you and I just want to you know, just put on a movie or do anything else except for go gym sort of getting out of the way in the morning cause I'm not really a morning person as you know I'm a big a big night out. So like when you go in the office I go I tend to go 3 times a week I want to make sure that.

53:00.64
sharonpak5
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah.

53:13.56
Kathit
I'm fresh and back can only you that I go in the morning and just go gym I just feel awake by the end of it. Yeah, that's been making me cook a bit more results So call me Chef but and um, we'll keep you cookie mode now unlikely.

53:18.98
sharonpak5
Um.

53:25.37
sharonpak5
Ah, okay, okay, okay, so um I think it's cool that like all your goals are like super balanced um like the only thing you're missing is like an artistic 1 right? like.

53:35.14
Kathit
Yeah, lay on the head I want to get more into art I used to love drawing but like now is this? yeah my art, my artistic abilities all come through my like ideas and creations now. So like whoever it's a website where like the graphic design aspect I spend a bit more time on it because.

53:40.64
sharonpak5
Okay.

53:51.78
sharonpak5
Yeah, yeah.

53:55.10
Kathit
I know I enjoy it so people might think it's a waste of time and that you've got your ui perfect your us sound nice. You don't need to waste more time on it I'll give it that extra two free days or two free weeks. So I'm like no I'm just I want to keep going so like you know if you like if you enjoy a certain part of your creation process. You know, give it more time because.

54:05.45
sharonpak5
Yeah.

54:11.30
sharonpak5
This.

54:13.73
Kathit
And it is your product which is what you know? what's so amazing about having your own project or idea or business where you can take your ideas on the next level and prioritize the parts where you enjoy the monsters are.

54:22.40
sharonpak5
Yeah, like you said you put like 150% into literally everything that you do right? and so it's a little crazy. It's a little crazy but like I don't know but you're probably 1 of the craziest people that I know in terms of like doing everything. Um, like there's not a lot of other people I know who are like that which I think is why we get along so well because we're both kind of out there just like doing random things constantly.

54:47.35
Kathit
Yeah, we both enjoy everything we do quite a lot and that makes things a lot easier because I feel like if you are dreading it. So let's say if I was doing now. Let's just think of something really really boring right? um.

54:53.51
sharonpak5
Yeah.

55:05.90
Kathit
I was like a Librarian because I hate books and we put out I'm sorry sorry everyone loves books which is everyone in the world I'm sorry um I hate reading like I'm massing into audio books nowadays. But I just hate reading so like for me like an absolute nightmare is being a Librarian because I'm working with books all day. So if I had that as a job and then I was doing all these other things.

55:14.30
sharonpak5
Okay.

55:25.75
Kathit
Related to books. For example, I'm not enjoying I'm not happy burning myself up not enjoying any of it. It's not happening I'm and I'm going to end up losing everything instead of you know, doing all these things but I feel out do things you actually enjoy is the opposite where you're like you content around things you're passionate about So you're just goingnna you know you can enjoy every part of it.

55:33.78
sharonpak5
Ha.

55:44.68
sharonpak5
Okay, that's I didn't know that you hated reading that's fascinating to me. Ah.

55:45.35
Kathit
Horror wayss I know everyone' was gonna you I just never know like bear in my like like english classes and stuff I loved and like certain books I love but if you tell me to like outside of school where I'm forced to read or forced to like you know do a certain thing. If you told me to just go read a book like I remember all my friends are big readers. So like I remember when we're going up. They're reading Harry Potter all these books I look at I'm like tell us a big book I'm not reading that anymore feel have you read? What video a video guy I just hate.

56:20.10
sharonpak5
Ah I don't.

56:22.88
Kathit
Books I'm sorry.

56:25.38
sharonpak5
That's really funny because like my my parents they still give me flak to this day because when I was a kid um my aunt worked in the entertainment industry and so um, she told my mom that she should like take me and my younger brothers to go do some like commercial audition thing.

56:29.28
Kathit
Um, yeah, okay.

56:41.25
sharonpak5
And so we went and then during the edition they ask you questions and so then they asked me like oh do you like reading and I'm like yeah I like reading and like what type of books. Do you like to read and I said I like the thin ones. Um.

56:53.59
Kathit
Um, that's not your move.

56:59.57
sharonpak5
Like my family still gives me so much fly to the day they're like oh yeah, sure she loves reading the thin ones the thin books the tiny but.

57:00.70
Kathit
Are um, like yoularious.

57:11.66
sharonpak5
Yeah, so you know I get it I understand I relate like.

57:17.12
Kathit
Yeah, it's something that's not change I really thought as a go-up, you know things would change and maybe I'll start enjoying books I own tried like if you know I don't think no if you remember like a few years ago I told you I bought a copy of rich dad poor dad and I was I'll give it oh I keep it you know a read. Whatever.

57:25.85
sharonpak5
Um, is it.

57:31.20
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

57:35.62
Kathit
Bookstoll right? behind you my bookshelf and I have not touched it or you let me see where you show me. Can you see that where the downstairs what here I've not basically different what I've changed it into is like.

57:36.96
sharonpak5
You have a bookshelf.

57:43.94
sharonpak5
That that's his tiniest book shop I've ever seen in my life called it.

57:54.93
Kathit
So my beds here I added like a little like almost. It's almost like a covered display standards of like certificates and like random things I just here. There's ah, there's a cricket war from my one of my matches. There's like a signed like post the things.

58:09.52
sharonpak5
Ah.

58:10.40
Kathit
And then next to it I did just random props I found followed by a few books I'm actually using kind constantly random station. No no, it's like things I kind of have to and I mean it's not like I'm enjoying any part of it. No, if one I mean Yeah, but yeah.

58:15.72
sharonpak5
Also he does read.

58:26.82
Kathit
I ended up getting the audiobook for rich that on Spotify and I was like okay this is a lot easier for me if we just go through that's on my way to work right now which is like a 35 minute journey I'll just put my airports on you. It's a lot easier for me because I just hate the idea of carrying a book by.

58:30.93
sharonpak5
Um, okay.

58:38.69
sharonpak5
Um.

58:43.73
Kathit
What's really the point nowadays that earned that. But yeah.

58:45.44
sharonpak5
So I read rich that poor dad and I thought it was a really inspiring story when I read it I think like a year or two ago. But I think I read like half the book and I kind of like skimmed the second half of the book because I didn't do the audio book thing but I found out recently that that story isn't actually true.

58:52.26
Kathit
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, what? well that kind of ruined my data.

59:03.77
sharonpak5
Yeah.

59:07.50
Kathit
Quarter of the way in because I go in between it. So I what I did the audio book. What's it called the art of war with you light? um like I'm so I heard it i' read it come on now butff. Yes.

59:14.45
sharonpak5
Ah, isn't that also super thick that I've seen the book.

59:25.26
Kathit
Really? Um, but um' a quote way in I can understand why you know it It can you know it cannot be true and not worry, whatever but sucks so it would have been nice I Love a true story I Love a tree story So not to be happy about that.

59:29.76
sharonpak5
Okay.

59:35.89
sharonpak5
Yeah I felt scammed when I found out that it wasn't true I was like wait what you mean like all these like this isn't actually like all these things and to actually happen in real life like that was such anspiring like this is a best seller like you're allowed to lie on a.

59:51.74
Kathit
Um, minute.

59:53.27
sharonpak5
Like I don't get it.

59:54.61
Kathit
Yeah, and that's me with movie. There's certain movies I've watched on like damn that's such a like you know a warming crazy story like you moved right now I'll go online on search up is this a true story and I'll say no I'm like what like what? yo.

01:00:02.78
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

01:00:11.23
Kathit
Biggest scam my 3 hours back now. What name name me she it tear at this point while she deserve nothing have.

01:00:19.53
sharonpak5
Have you watched any Korean movies like this completely a tangent but like Korean movies man they're so dramatic for literally no reason at all.

01:00:28.96
Kathit
Yeah, massive into spanish movies recently like I watch a lot of spanish movies. Yeah I'm loving spanish spanish movie. Yeah yeah, Spain spanish doesn't really matter even put even like brazilians like portuguese is fine.

01:00:36.00
sharonpak5
Spanish movies like Spain spanish. Ok. Okay.

01:00:48.71
Kathit
um yeah um I like them quite a bit I like spanish tv I can't lie I know a bit funny I learned it for like 8 years so for me is like I understand the language and I just want to keep improving and the best ways is watching these shows and they did have a great story dance summer. Keep it.

01:01:03.21
sharonpak5
Am I Even your freaking movies sir like you're you're trying to learn from. Is it.

01:01:10.60
Kathit
And I love going Spain so I try go there pretty much every summer youth. But you know I I love the language and it's one of my favorite language. So like that I've been learning portuguese called a bunch of my friends at Portugues I went live I think last month for sun and festival. So it's like ah.

01:01:14.19
sharonpak5
Ah, that's fair.

01:01:22.64
sharonpak5
Um, okay, ah ah.

01:01:27.19
Kathit
St. Antonio is a festival celebbraing um st antonio for the whole the whole street. All the streets basically ah pass at Nine p m you turn into like a massive party so they play loud music people are dancing drinking. It's an amazing vibe I wish I knew the actual you know.

01:01:32.16
sharonpak5
Ah.

01:01:44.78
Kathit
The historical side of the tradition and everything else, but all all my friend told me was bro calm is going the best time ever. We're just gonna party into like 5 a m on like I guess that sounds amazing on the art but we were Doingolingo now. So yeah.

01:01:45.83
sharonpak5
Yeah.

01:01:55.10
sharonpak5
You're like yes.

01:02:03.31
Kathit
I learned a few words and learned enough for me to like go around and you know and then all his friends of portugue. So like they were teaching me on on the spots or a lot of yeah, my like my second fit and my second favorite football teams from you know portugals well like sunny right? Ah no, we're not doing this stupid.

01:02:09.15
sharonpak5
While.

01:02:18.31
sharonpak5
Soccer soccer. Yeah.

01:02:22.25
Kathit
Yeah, so even doesn't think it doesn't even sound right? Yeah I can't say soccer. It's crazy doesn't you all like.

01:02:24.15
sharonpak5
Ah, ok soccer.

01:02:37.11
sharonpak5
Okay, but how about like Nike because you say Nike but it's not Nike is Nike.

01:02:40.12
Kathit
Yeah, and you know ni everyone here says likeke I've not met anyone in London at least that says Nike I don't know you're right here I you know I have no idea though. Honestly, no clear how you.

01:02:47.19
sharonpak5
Why is that because it's an American company right.

01:02:57.64
sharonpak5
How do you say? what? Adidas Adidas because I just remember like when we first started talking where you would like say random words I'd be like what.

01:02:57.68
Kathit
You say add as Adi us Adidas fair, that's crazy. Yeah, not when we had a whole chord is going through all the words that we. We pronounce differently there compar to here with whole ukvmmusa one as ah.

01:03:22.40
sharonpak5
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah I think the funniest one was like the insults right? where you said something about like um like bus wanker something I was like what.

01:03:26.63
Kathit
Um, yeah, um before anyone comes up with crazy for this one. Go watch the inbetweers come back to this episode and tell me that's not absolutely hilarious.

01:03:43.32
Kathit
Oh like might you top 10 insults this one of the put in top one if I'm seriously trying to insult someone I won't say bus wa is 11 but it's just quite hilariously. It's hard not to I feel like nowadays I just love the inbetween us.

01:03:47.60
sharonpak5
What would be the top 1 what would be the top 1 yeah. Picture.

01:04:02.89
sharonpak5
Okay.

01:04:03.21
Kathit
I find it super funny. We a bit off topic they open up pop eyeses in London so I had my first pop eyes today. Nope first time. Ah yeah I got the spice on the wings.

01:04:10.26
sharonpak5
What wait you guys didn't have one before did you get the chicken sandwich Hey let's go. Yeah oh wow, that's actually really high.

01:04:21.95
Kathit
Um, and the or you say I'm giving it a solid 8.5 out ten it. It was ice very flavorsome it like you really nice. The wings are actually really really nice or surprise me a little bit good that of course no we do we do? of course? um by like.

01:04:33.66
sharonpak5
Ok, do you guys not have like fried chicken and like that other ok ah, okay.

01:04:39.91
Kathit
I Chicken poppas are light kind of nice. Yeah I'm pleasantly impressed. Okay and I flat they gave me a few extra things as well I didn't order to fries. They give me some fries give me extra milkshake a few more wings as well that God just spoiling me now.

01:04:56.29
sharonpak5
Ah, so what you're saying is that I need to go pull up to the Uk and get the popeys there because it's probably going to be better like ok ok, we love that as like we completely just got the de railed have no clue what we're talking about before and that was actually important but it doesn't matter.

01:04:58.49
Kathit
Um, you you yep telling you now.

01:05:10.80
Kathit
But but what on the top of a food though 1 more age so won't go to Tackle Bell in the u k it's horrible like I'm so against it's but not for me.

01:05:15.96
sharonpak5
Yeah.

01:05:25.91
sharonpak5
Because ah, you're all about that What refry beans your your your beingans.

01:05:30.31
Kathit
You know me be 8 beans hard go wrong potato and baked beans guy I'm sending you right now but cheese on top o you got my heart now now.

01:05:36.38
sharonpak5
Ah, baked beans. That's what it is baked beans, baked beans. Yeah.

01:05:46.47
sharonpak5
Bak Bees and cheese I'm just like.

01:05:48.97
Kathit
That's super nice I won' night I throw a bit ketch up but that's outrageousistic So like don't hold me to that one but I like a bit a ketchup. Yeah, so see even my friends are against this one but that's just a me like even put kechup with egg I don't know people other people do that Why I love ketchup with a lot of things. So like yeah.

01:05:53.64
sharonpak5
Um, you put ketchup on your baked beans with cheese.

01:06:07.41
sharonpak5
Okay, so in high school our teacher showed us this video of um how they make catchchup and they said that there's a certain amount of insects that they're allowed to like keep within the tomatoes So ever since high school and I watched that video I got traumatized.

01:06:10.94
Kathit
Um, yeah, okay.

01:06:24.67
sharonpak5
And I'm like I don't want to be eating like crickets right? like.

01:06:37.23
Kathit
I'm not happy anymore excuse me hear. These guys are quickckets and yeah there we go This was been. We go more I just go from.

01:06:45.74
sharonpak5
That's so funny. Um, but so I told this to my friend i' like this is why I don't really eat ketchup because like you know in high school I watched this video and I saw there's like a certain amount of crickets and like bugs that are allowed to be in the tomatoes and they use it to me kechup and they're like oh you don't want to know about all the other food you eat then.

01:07:02.22
Kathit
Um, um, anything from the ground that you know is when he suffering what.

01:07:02.94
sharonpak5
And I was just like what.

01:07:08.70
sharonpak5
Yeah I was just like that's crazy and so that's my ketchup story and why I don't consume ketchup.

01:07:13.60
Kathit
Um, um, that's crazy I must not lowering my intake of Kechup Easy see hate bugs and now you' just probably got bit of it.

01:07:24.83
sharonpak5
I Also hate bugs. So I feel I feel.

01:07:26.92
Kathit
He on the foot I'm telling you they're even getting killed or I'm running away. There's only two ways about it. Oh like I remember as a kid as a kid I got told that I'm chewing Gum is made out of flesh like human flesh. Yeah.

01:07:36.20
sharonpak5
Yeah, yeah.

01:07:41.97
sharonpak5
What.

01:07:45.19
Kathit
So I went out also so I had a chewing on my mouth for that point and I was ah super young and like 1 of my older friends told me I was like oh shit like you know there's no way so I'm chilling and the more I'm chewing I'm like damn that is a bit of flesh and I can feed it like wait.

01:07:52.19
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

01:08:02.39
Kathit
Most awful God I was I was ah E for a started few months I'll tell you that.

01:08:06.12
sharonpak5
So and you're like so when you knew this and you still decided to chew the gum.

01:08:10.71
Kathit
Yeah I finished Offca I you fables still there. So I'm like to have good flavoring flesh I cast kind of out. Oh my secrets are coming out now guys. Um, it's too late. Well we had like 50 juers wass really could happen that if the different moment where is this going. But.

01:08:32.80
sharonpak5
Slightly slightly concerning just just just a little bit. It' just just just a little bit concerning but okay, no, you know I don't know I know we get real it Back. So if you had to give anyone a piece of advice on how to be successful in engineering. Um, or in their career post career. What would what would that piece of advice be because I'd consider you to be pretty successful right in your role now even beforehand.

01:08:57.82
Kathit
Yeah I bought now. Thank you so much for that. But I feel like I'm far from that. But from my experience so far. The biggest advice I'd give is try out everything honestly like a lot of people are just so fixed on 1 career path and they just want to take that all the way till the end and I feel like everyone's like. Least when you're at university you're out college or a high school. You're still super young. You've got your whole life ahead of you and you've got all your 20 so just explore youve got your teens and your 20 to explore in my opinion like don't put yourself in a box try out different things. You can be loving maths today. But if you've not tried science give it a go. You've not tried art. Give it a go like don't count anything out until you've tried it. So that's my biggest advice for me I had a massive misconception around this at computer science. So like ah that's a boring job like all you do is just write code order. How's that exciting. But if you don't really understand something don't have those initial judgments so like.

01:09:40.20
sharonpak5
Ah.

01:09:51.57
sharonpak5
And.

01:09:53.89
Kathit
I Mean it giving a goal or maybe change your perception. Maybe you do and you go Oh just didn't enjoy it So like try out a lot of things and don't be shy about it. You know another key advice that we just speak to more people just network. So I feel like having a strong network early on is just a massive game changer.

01:10:04.71
sharonpak5
Are.

01:10:11.38
Kathit
So like I was active I most fortunate enough to meet you online which was a crazy thing because I feel like he would have thought someone from the Uk someone from America somehow just connect right? And what apps is crazy on and so like just don't be shy like you know.

01:10:12.28
sharonpak5
Ah.

01:10:18.69
sharonpak5
Their Instagram.

01:10:30.94
Kathit
Yeah, like they say you know shoot your shot like there's what's a worse I could happen someone says no or you know you don't get a certain opportunity. You don't get into a assign college. That's fine. You know, but you wouldn't know the outcome if you didn't try So like if you hadn't done it and if you did do it if you get a negative outcome. What's the what's the really the difference. You know I mean so like.

01:10:44.37
sharonpak5
Ah.

01:10:50.30
Kathit
If I get rejected by a company and I applied there. Okay I got rejected I know what to improve on if I don't apply. It's pretty much the same outcome right? I'm not going to that company. So like you might as well give it a shot and see what see it. You know see what happens.

01:11:01.26
sharonpak5
Ah.

01:11:05.70
sharonpak5
Definitely and I think it's interesting where you said if you don't know how to do something how you had a massive mis ah misconception about computer science initially and now you're doing computer science when you're first learning. Um, how to code. Was there a point where you're like I don't want to do this anymore. It's too hard type a deal and how did you push through that.

01:11:22.18
Kathit
You know, hundred percent I remember like my first project I wrote given I'm like oh no like the idea will'll have to open up a turn in a while my tech support like it's not happening from me I was like what is going on like show me open up a computer I'm so happy. He told me just sort opening up terminal opening this up downloading this like you know, typing this way. Oh it' a different language have to type a different kind of way like what's come on now. It just didn't make sense in me in the beginning of I'm being honest with you and like I was still young when I started off so like nothing really made sense for being honest with me and that's what happened. And didn't I didn't do cf I didn't get that you know theory that theoretical knowledge you need to understand why you're doing certain things so I kind of figure out myself and if there were so many points I'm like nope not for me and like I even tried running away from it like in a sense of like I'm doing something I I nope I'll just you know.

01:12:06.86
sharonpak5
Ah.

01:12:16.30
Kathit
Keep delaying it keep delaying it keep delaying because I just didn't want to do it and then I feel like you You only do that when you're not good at something. So like if you just try a little bit harder just try understand it and then when you have given it a proper goal. You don't like it fine quit it and you're done with it for good and for me, that's exactly the mind that I kept.

01:12:24.55
sharonpak5
Ah.

01:12:34.91
Kathit
I've always done that and I feel like my parents are a big push in that area so where they're like if you're going to do something give it a proper shot and if you don't enjoy it quit it straight away. So my mom's never read for my mom Mom's the one that's got more for involvement in terms of like.

01:12:45.26
sharonpak5
Um.

01:12:49.65
Kathit
Um, certain decisions I make and my dad's like super into tech and his background is tech as well. He did engineering so like he's the one I go to for like the technical help and then the the competenency side to go to my mom So it's like then we have going hu I mean so.

01:12:55.94
sharonpak5
Um.

01:13:04.46
sharonpak5
Ah, ah.

01:13:04.70
Kathit
Like I remember ah telling I'm like I feel I'm just good. You know I'm not positiveed for this I'm want to change do something else and try give that and give something else to go shell like give it a proper shot and give it You know the right amount of time like you would any other thing and if you don't enjoy it. It's fine quit It do something else. You know So that's exactly why I did I gave it a proper shot and I like damn.

01:13:19.96
sharonpak5
Um.

01:13:23.80
Kathit
So I remember my first project was such an easy like web page I created I used react to do it and it was a stock and picker app so you could search up any stock in the in the market and it will show you a historical growth of the past three days one day three months six months.

01:13:29.18
sharonpak5
Ah.

01:13:42.10
Kathit
And I think 1 year that you can pick up from the different tabs I added or what historical form data you want from it plot the graph. Um, and yeah, it did that and then you could do multich charts as well. So like oh okay, now it's getting a bit more exciting so you know you add multiple stocks and compare the results on that and then.

01:13:45.20
sharonpak5
Um.

01:13:57.61
sharonpak5
Ah huh.

01:14:01.55
Kathit
Did that I was super happy with that I was like Wow I did that and like that proud feeling where you're like to when you get hang of it. You just keep improving keep improving and it's like for me like creating a website once again so I was like okay I've got this. What do I need? What would someone? What would the user want. Okay, maybe they want future results. How do I do that now.

01:14:03.52
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

01:14:20.57
Kathit
So I learned Python the actual predicting forecasting method and I was like okay now I know what to do? let me try input that and then I just somehow link the front end to the back end. But how do I do that figure that one out so that you get these issues by like these problems and these blockers on the way and like overcoming them and they're like. Satisfaction of like getting the right result in the end and you've got an actual product in front of you. It was It was a really good feeling and I kind of chased that feeling the whole way through. So I'm enjoying it.

01:14:47.22
sharonpak5
How long did it take you to get there where you actually started enjoying it versus you're like I I hate this I don't know what's going on I'm not good at this and it's a lot of imposter syndrome right.

01:14:57.35
Kathit
I Feel like the first two months were a little bit tough for me because there's too much to learn. There was actually a lot going on but I feel like some less software and coding is pretty nice because even if it's something small. You can feel satisfaction so you can literally print Hello world.

01:15:04.60
sharonpak5
Are.

01:15:12.63
sharonpak5
Is.

01:15:16.17
Kathit
Hey you just printed Hello world come on like give yourself a little round Oflas like you didn were you and then you can go okay print. My name is craft it and you did that like okay so like you get to see very very smart iterations and progress while you're doing it. So it's not like certain skills where you're like you know let they doing a handstand.

01:15:17.88
sharonpak5
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:15:25.53
sharonpak5
Um.

01:15:31.37
sharonpak5
Um, if it.

01:15:34.66
Kathit
And might need to spend a month doing it and then I'll perfect it so it wasn't like waiting a month to see progress I'll see progress every single day so it was very easy for me to be satisfied and happy. But of course like knowing you can print hello world compared to you creating an entire trading algorithm as a hell different world most so like.

01:15:41.94
sharonpak5
Um, earth.

01:15:50.29
sharonpak5
Yeah.

01:15:53.76
Kathit
You know, like the ceiling store over here and you're really at a low point right now. So but then again you saw you getting up 1 step at a time. It's like you know you're going through the stairs right on your first step you're going up slowly. You've got you know 2 more flights left but you know that you can make it so it's a nice thing.

01:15:56.77
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

01:16:08.60
sharonpak5
Okay, is there has there ever been a time where you were working towards something and you actually did decide to quit and you're like this is not worth I don't like this. Well.

01:16:11.58
Kathit
Knowing that this progress happening every day.

01:16:22.99
Kathit
It hasn't happened yet but I will get back. It has yeah I don't think it has happened yet, especially not in a academic standpoint There's not been anything I've done. Um, yeah I'm trying to think I'm trying to look back and see if there is maybe like a university module where I just. Took defeat while like I'm not actually there is theist so like in terms of Korea hasn't happened yet just because I know that this is what my living is and I'm not goingnna quit on it is just not happening for me of course I know that with my back gone and my education There's always gonna be a plan be so like if let's see there's a point where I don't enjoy what I'm doing.

01:16:48.63
sharonpak5
S.

01:16:59.71
Kathit
Have a lot of options I can go to that will still make sure I'm still on my fee still doing this doing the still doing that which is the beauty of you know, making sure you have the right education the right experience as a background but um, in terms of my academic life there of course I feel like University you do a bunch of modules.

01:17:07.54
sharonpak5
Um.

01:17:09.60
sharonpak5
Yeah.

01:17:17.48
Kathit
So like I mine I think I did 8 to 10 modules a year and then there's always gonna be 1 that you just absolutely hate and like me it like because you know your university is super busy and doing all these things if I'm struggling in 1 um, like for me, especially my third year I was not going to go out of my way.

01:17:19.45
sharonpak5
Are yeah.

01:17:35.50
Kathit
Just perfect that and sacrifice the rest because deadlines are so close by that if I paratize one over the other I was gonna risk lowering my grad in other areas. So I there was like I'm trying to think I think it was ah what was it I think it was a structures module I think and it was just.

01:17:42.58
sharonpak5
Are.

01:17:51.55
sharonpak5
Okay.

01:17:54.18
Kathit
Mathematics like willside was easy for me but um, like the rest of the analysis just didn't make sense so I was like okay I tried on the first assignment didn't score the highest and I was like actually tried Andt Score the highest now. What do we do and the next deadline was with like a finite elements um module module I had.

01:18:07.95
sharonpak5
Um, ah have.

01:18:14.90
Kathit
And like okay, there's no I'm going to prioriti as one of the other the finance one I'll just absolutely smash other one I could just you know, get or like low result or an average result and keep keep it going because at the end of the day. University's average of the module. So like if you all low low in one. That's not gonna impact your future.

01:18:18.30
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

01:18:24.44
sharonpak5
Ah.

01:18:30.98
sharonpak5
Yeah.

01:18:33.74
Kathit
Take the hit and just make sure everything else is a sky high so you don't have to worry again and that's it. Yeah.

01:18:38.81
sharonpak5
And I mean like you did really well in uni 2 compared to me because like I barely pass where I got to keep my job. Ah.

01:18:48.14
sharonpak5
Ah, or they're like you need it because we have Gpa you guys have like a ranking something system right? like first class second class something I thought.

01:18:50.10
Kathit
Yeah, yeah, first goal my second upper and then second lower and then third and then fair.

01:18:59.16
sharonpak5
Yeah, and then for us it's like ah abcdf right.

01:19:00.23
Kathit
We had that through like g cs and so high school so all of high we have that ab bc the ef a start aol is the highest in Youki and then a and this was like f um yeah university was a bit different compared to it but it was that percentage system was the main thing and then you get.

01:19:06.69
sharonpak5
Ah.

01:19:09.91
sharonpak5
Ah, yeah.

01:19:19.40
Kathit
Graz according there.

01:19:20.65
sharonpak5
Yeah, but I know that you did well in school and then that's why you also did the masters as well. Um, and then obviously you did well in that too and that's why you got all these offers from all the big companies in the Uk but you just didn't want to go out to the middle of nowhere right? Ah, but so then because.

01:19:31.94
Kathit
Um.

01:19:37.39
sharonpak5
Went into a software role. Do you feel like they like took a quote unquote like risk on you or how did you convince them to take you on as software.

01:19:43.33
Kathit
I feel like banks and a lot of the companies in the in the finance industry. Loved it on engineers because um, there's quite a big engineering culture within software because it's about just Cs if you have an engineering degree. You have some of the most transferable skills.

01:19:49.83
sharonpak5
Um, okay, okay.

01:20:00.97
sharonpak5
Are.

01:20:00.99
Kathit
You want as a developer you are a technical person. You have a passion with technology in which engineering is and you have very good mathematical skills and logical skills and I feel like that's exactly what Cs degree is summed up minus of theoretical parts and all the coding involved. But.

01:20:20.80
sharonpak5
Ah, yeah.

01:20:21.84
Kathit
But like in terms of like engineering degree. You have a bunch of like you know a bunch of software and modules as well. So like for me I had I think 6 I won Data Analytics Data Analytics and mathematics I had software engineering I had um microsystems.

01:20:27.42
sharonpak5
Yeah.

01:20:37.11
sharonpak5
Um.

01:20:39.77
Kathit
Architecture so I had quite a few like software in Modules like computation philid dynamics Id quite a bit. Um and for my company it was like okay, he's coming from an engineering background and does he go and does he fit into our work culture does he like finance and that was a tick just given my past experiences.

01:20:40.30
sharonpak5
Um, yeah.

01:20:48.83
sharonpak5
Yeah.

01:20:56.68
sharonpak5
Ah, with.

01:20:59.25
Kathit
I was running articles consistently in in that industry. So like there's always something I was doing that backed up why I was saying as well. So my knowledge was there even though I didn't have any sort of finance degree and then in terms of the computer science side I had a bunch of experience where I interned at humanized Ai as a data and business analyst.

01:20:59.65
sharonpak5
Um, yep.

01:21:05.12
sharonpak5
Is.

01:21:18.81
Kathit
So that was working with the software side but also the business side which is exactly what technology needs so being able to work with people effectively work in a team effectively and also be able to like have the interaction between the developer and the business analyst. So just.

01:21:24.92
sharonpak5
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

01:21:35.57
Kathit
Backing all these things I was experiences is what helped me the most but my degree was definitely a massive part in terms of showing my technical abilities.

01:21:37.30
sharonpak5
Are.

01:21:43.84
sharonpak5
Gotcha Okay well I think that's probably all the questions for this episode anyways. Is there anything else that you'd like to share before we wrap it up. Are you good? Yeah for sure.

01:21:53.30
Kathit
No I think I'm good. Thanks so much for having me I appreciate yeah and hopefully everyone that listening wasn't too bored with why to say and learn a few things slow. Thank you.

01:22:04.51
sharonpak5
Just so you guys know it's called soccer in the states. Yeah.

01:22:12.11
Kathit
Um.

01:22:12.82
sharonpak5
Hey okay, got it. Thank you I appreciate you I'm a posit hold on stop.